In today's episode, I invite you to join a conversation with two of my very good friends, Mary Bruno and Bridget Busacker, about how the fruit of the ideology that "NFP can be used with a contraceptive mentality" is some really bad fruit. While episode 8 contains verbatim quotes of what the Church actually says about NFP and sex, this episode is three friends explaining how this ideology leads down some deeply problematic roads  – ultimately because it is rooted in a rejection of Church teaching.  Bios for my guests and where to find them: Mary Bruno is the co-founder and executive director of the non profit FAbM Base, a Creighton Practitioner, and author of Twelve Stripes Deep: How Infertility & Other Suffering Delivered My Greatest Joys. She has been married to Chris for 10 years and they have one adopted daughter, Bella, and hope to adopt another child soon. Mary plans to publish a journal companion for infertile women in summer of 2023. Find her at http://www.fabmbase.org and on Instagram @whitelotusblooming and @fabmbase. Bridget Busacker is the founder of Managing Your Fertility, a one stop shop for Catholic and Catholic-curious women for support and clarity in the practice of fertility awareness. She provides practical resources and courses on her website, as well as through her podcast and social media. She and her husband David reside in Minnesota with their two precious daughters. David is often behind the scenes supporting and joining Bridget's work as her "marketing intern." Find Bridget at http://www.managingyourfertility.com and on Instagram @managingyourfertility.